I was honoured to be Hrvoje Moric’s guest on his Geopolitics & Empire podcast. We had a wide ranging conversation that covered many topics. I hope that you enjoy it and, if you do, please share it with a friend.
Exterminating Poverty Book explained in under three minutes
Dr Sutherland’s work in tuberculosis
The Regent’s Park Bandstand School
Dr Sutherland founded the Regent’s park Bandstand School in around 1911. The Bandstand School does not stand today. You can visit the site, located at the convergence of paths to the west of the Readymoney Drinking Fountain.
Britain’s First Public Health Cinema Film
Dr Sutherland produced The Story of John M’Neil (1911) which can be viewed today on the British Film Institute’s website (N.B. VPN required for viewers outside the United Kingdom).
The St Marylebone Dispensary for the Prevention of Consumption
The dispensary stood at 15 Allsop Place just south of Regent’s Park. A bus depot stands on the site today. You can view annual reports of the dispensary at archive.org – click for 1911 and 1914.
The Control and Eradication of Tuberculosis (1911)
Dr Sutherland edited and contributed to The Control and Eradication of Tuberculosis. When the book came to the attention of Prime Minister Asquith, it led to a knighthood for Dr Robert Phillip to whom the book was dedicated. You can view a copy on archive.org by clicking here.
Dr John Berry Haycraft “Darwinism and Race Progress” (1900)
“It is a hard saying, but none the less a true one, that the bacillus tuberculosis is a friend of the race, for it attacks no healthy man or woman, but only the feeble. It is like the bacillus of leprosy in this respect, but in this respect only, for leprosy attacks anyone living under certain unhygienic conditions. Remove these conditions—as we have done long ago—and the bacillus of leprosy disappears; its duties are over, like those of the extinct plants and fishes in the rocks.” (Page 53)
You can read a copy of Darwinism and Race Progress by clicking here.
Sir James Barr, President of the British Medical Association in 1912.
Dr Marie Stopes and Humphrey Roe open the Mothers’ Clinic 17 March 1921.
Tuesday May 31st 1921
Dear Dr. Marie Stopes,
I am exceedingly sorry that I shall not be able to attend your great meeting on May 31, which I hope will prove historical. You and your husband have inaugurated a great movement which I hope will eventually get rid of our C3 population and exterminate poverty. The only way to raise an A1 population is to breed them.
With best wishes for the success of your movement,
I am,
Yours very sincerely,
James Barr.
The Sterilization Bill, 1931
In 1931, the Eugenics Society tried to introduce legislation for sterilization in Britain which, if it was successful, would be made compulsory. You can read Hansard’s record of the debate in the House of Commons here. I wrote an article about it here (https://hallidaysutherland.com/2020/09/01/sterilization/). Fortunately, the bill was defeated.
Margaret Sanger’s “A Plan for Peace”
Margaret Sanger’s A Plan for Peace was published in Birth Control Review (April 1932, pp. 107-108). It read as follows:
A Plan for Peace by Margaret Sanger
First, put into action President Wilson’s fourteen points, upon which terms Germany and Austria surrendered to the Allies in 1918. Second, have Congress set up a special department for the study of population problems and appoint a Parliament of Population, the directors representing the various branches of science: this body to direct and control the population through birth rates and immigration, and to direct its distribution over the country according to national needs consistent with taste, fitness and interest of individuals.
The main objects of the Population Congress would be:
a) to raise the level and increase the general intelligence of population.
b) to increase the population slowly by keeping the birth rate at its present level of fifteen per thousand, decreasing the death rate below its present mark of 11 per thousand.
c) to keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.
d) to apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.
e) to insure the country against future burdens of maintenance for numerous offspring as may be born of feebleminded parents, by pensioning all persons with transmissible disease who voluntarily consent to sterilization.
f) to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.
g) to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be taught to work under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives.
The first step would thus be to control the intake and output of morons, mental defectives, epileptics. The second step would be to take an inventory of the secondary group such as illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, dope-fiends; classify them in special departments under government medical protection, and segregate them on farms and open spaces as long as necessary for the strenghtening and development of moral conduct. Having corralled this enormous part of our population and placed it on a basis of health instead of punishment, it is safe to say that fifteen or twenty millions of our population would then be organized into soldiers of defense— defending the
unborn against their own disabilities.
The third step would be to give special attention to the mothers’ health, to see that women who are suffering from tuberculosis, heart or kidney disease, toxic goitre, gonorrhea, or any disease where the condition of pregnancy disturbs their health are placed under public health nurses to instruct them in practical, scientific methods of contraception in order to safeguard their lives—thus reducing maternal
mortality.
The above steps may seem to place emphasis on a health program instead of on tariffs, moratoriums and debts, but I believe that national health is the first essential factor in any program for universal peace.
With the future citizen safeguarded from hereditary taints, with five million mental and moral degenerates segregated, with ten million women and ten million children receiving adequate care, we could then turn our attention to the basic needs for international peace.
There would then be a definite effort to make population increase slowly and at a specified rate, in order to accommodate and adjust increasing numbers to the best social and economic system.
In the meantime we should organize and join an International League of Low Birth Rate Nations to secure and maintain World Peace.[Emphasis added].
George Bernard Shaw’s progressive idea
Lest there be accusations that this film is the creation of AI, there is further evidence here. In a speech to the Eugenics Education Society Shaw said:
We should find ourselves committed to killing a great many people whom we now leave living, and to leave living a great many people whom we at present kill. We should have to get rid of all ideas about capital punishment. It is right if a man cannot be trusted to go about in society without injuring other people that he should be killed. But a man may commit murder and be a perfectly safe and desirable citizen afterwards. It might be that it was desirable to have removed the man he murdered. A part of eugenic politics would finally land us in an extensive use of the lethal chamber. A great many people would have to be put out of existence simply because it wastes other people’s time to look after them.
Shaw was a member of the Fabian Society. While one might imagine that the “left” championed the working classes; this simply isn’t the case as outlined in Johnathan Freeland’s article in the Guardian: Eugenics: The Skeleton that Rattles Loudest in the Left’s Closet.
As I wrote (in the footnotes) in Exterminating Poverty:
In the conclusion to Eugenics and Politics in Britain 1900-1914. G.R. Searle wrote: “For those socialists prepared to base their case on the essential inequality of man, eugenics has proved to be extremely attractive, as can be seen from a study of the writings of socialist intellectuals from George Bernard Shaw to Professor J.B.S. Haldane, both of them ‘reform eugenists’ of a sort. True, trade union leaders have mostly ignored eugenics, and often seemed unaware of its very existence. It still remains a matter of some interest that the fiercest opposition to eugenics has come, not from the Labour/Socialist camp, but from Roman Catholics and from a certain kind of individualist liberal”
Searle, G. (1976). Eugenics and Politics in Britain 1900-1914. Leyden: Noordhoff International Publishing. Page 113.
Nature’s Lethal Chamber
For quotes from the members of the cult of death, click here.
Britain’s Eugenics Society introduces a policy of secret eugenics in February 1960
The Activities of the Eugenics Society appeared in the September 1968 edition of the Eugenics Review. You can read the article here (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2906074/).
When Marie Stopes died in 1958, she bequeathed her birth control clinics to the Eugenics Society and the article explains what subsequently happened on page 153.
On page 154, you can read C.P. Blacker’s recommendation: “that the Society should pursue eugenic ends by less obvious means, that is by a policy of crypto-eugenics, which was apparently proving successful with the US Eugenics Society.” This is followed on page 155 by the resolution of the Council of the Society that “the Society’s activities in crypto-eugenics should be pursued vigorously, and specifically that the Society should increase its monetary support of the FPA [Family Planning Association] and the IPPF [International Planned Parenthood Federation] …”.
David Daleiden exposure of Planned Parenthood
We discussed David Daleiden’s expose of Planned Parenthood. You can find a link to Mark Steyn’s article here (https://www.steynonline.com/7064/ive-got-a-crush-on-you-baby). Daleiden’s website is https://www.daviddaleiden.com/
Paul Erlich’s The Population Bomb (1968)
Paul Ehrlich’s book, The Population Bomb (1968) predicted a Malthusian crisis if we didn’t act soon. I have become less sensitive to the prophets of doom whose predictions never eventuate.
On pages 135-36, Ehrlich suggested that sterilizing agents be added to the water supply on page 135-6. He stated that his idea was not legal but then says that “powerful governmental agency” is required, and that they should research it further.
Erlich later contributed to Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment (1977) a text book with John Holdren and Anne Erlich, which suggests similarly extreme measures which are outlined at http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/). Holdren was the “Science Czar” in the Obama administration (in full, the “Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology”).
Allowing the destruction of life unworthy of life
The original German title was: Die Freigabe der Vernichtung Lebensunwerten Lebens. Binding and Hoche’s book is thought to have been used as the moral justification for the Nazi T4 program. There is more information here.
After birth abortion: Why should the baby live?
Giubilini and Minerva’s After-birth abortion: Why should the baby live? You can read the article here (Source: https://jme.bmj.com/content/39/5/261).
Stanley Johnson’s Life Without Birth (1970)
Stanley Johnson (Boris Johnson’s father) wrote “Life Without Birth” (1970). You can read this on archive.org. On page 6, Johnson disclosed that the Ford Foundation “was financing the Policy Studies Program of the United Nations Association of the United States of America and it was for UNA’s National Policy Panel on World Population that I was working.”
Between pages 293-295 Johnson informs us of the four planks the British government could use for population control, many of which have been adopted.
On page 296, Johnson informs us of the hidden intent behind government policies, as well as of a secret interdepartmental committee on population matters.
“The fourth and last plank in the strategy, if it was felt that within the context of marriage parents would always want “too many” children, would be to discourage marriage itself as we know it. In order to preserve other fundamental freedoms for society as a whole, the government would attempt to limit the opportunities for breeding by limiting the opportunities for marriage. It would use the weapons of the modern state (still, of course, within the “context of voluntarism”) not just in pursuit of anti-natalist policies but of anti-nuptialist policies as well. This might involve promoting – for some proportion of the society – other forms of union (homosexual or heterosexual) which from a demographic standpoint may be more desirable.”
A government which took this last route would, of course, have to be careful that it did not (to transpose the metaphor) throw out the bathwater with the baby. The interactions and interdependencies of the psychic ecology are probably no less powerful than those of the physical ecology. We may dicker with things at our peril. Institutions like marriage and the family have survived for thousands of years. They may, in some peculiar way, actually be necessary.
But how near to practical politics is a “strategy for fertility control” in Britain? The answer to that question, according to an article in the New Scientist of October 2, 1969, is “less discouraging than one might think”.
“As long ago as 1949,” the article said, “a Royal Commission on Population recommended that our numbers should be [page 296] stabilized and that the government should tailor its policies to that end. Nothing further was done publicly until Sir David Renton tabled a House of Commons motion in 1968 demanding an official population policy, which was signed by 322 M.P.s. It followed a published correspondence between Renton and the Prime Minister, which did not indicate any official sense of urgency.
“However, in complete secret some action was taken. An inter-departmental committee of senior civil servants was set up to advise the government on population matters. It has now operated for over a year, reporting direct to the powerful home affairs committee of the Cabinet, and advises how legislative and administrative acts can be made to further a policy of population stabilization. Its existence has been kept deliberately secret for fear of political repercussions, and not many people either in Whitehall or Westminster are aware it is there at all. The subject would receive similar attention under a Conservative administration.
“That this committee has until now never been mentioned publicly is unfortunate. But its existence is evidence that at the highest levels of government the population crisis is taken seriously. Given the backing of the scientific community in general, and of biologists in particular, it may be possible to persuade the British people to act decisively enough to control the epidemic of its own numbers.”
One wonders if such a committee still exists.
The Perfect Eugenic State
The Perfect Eugenic State was Dr Halliday Sutherland’s 1934 short story that outlined a eugenic lethal chamber. You can read the story on this site:
Artificial Wombs
Human trials of artificial wombs could start soon. Here’s what you need to know is the title of an article that appeared in Nature in Spetember 2023.
Embryonic Screening
The Suitcase in the Cellar
In 2013 I stumbled across the uncensored manuscript pertaining to Dr Sutherland’s visit to the Magdalene Laundry and wrote about it here. Ann Ferris TD mentioned the discovery and its significance in a speech to the Irish Parliament on 11 June 2014 and you can read her speech here.
Vincent Joseph Sutherland
During the podcase, I mentioned my uncle Vincent Joseph Sutherland who was killed in 1945. This is a photo of him in the Our Lady of Victories church in Kensington, London, earlier in the war:
I wrote about it here.
Dr Halliday Gibson Sutherland (1882-1960)
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